Briefly on the topic that not everything around the world is sinking due to global warming but there are exceptions where land is actually rising, notable parts of Sweden and Finland.
Rising Seas
What mostly global discussions are handling – that seas are rising due to global warming, and the lower lands around the world will eventually end up under water.
Caused by: Global warming -> melting ice in North and South Poles -> more water in the oceans (seas) around the world.
Counter Measurements: Try slow down, revers…, global warming, move to higher grounds…
Rising Land – Parts of Scandinavia – Sweden and Finland
“Land is rising in certain regions due to various geological processes, including glacial rebound and tectonic activity. Specifically, Finland and Sweden are experiencing land uplift as the Earth’s crust slowly rebounds from the weight of past ice ages. Additionally, parts of the West Coast of North America and Antarctica are also seeing land rise due to tectonic activity and glacial isostatic adjustment. ” [An AI summary by Google] R:2025-07-16
🇸🇪 “Istäcket var som störst, omkring 3 km tjockt, för ungefär 20 000 år sedan och smälte därefter sakta bort de påföljande 10 000 åren. Landhöjningen kan beskrivas som jordskorpans rörelse uppåt som reaktion på den minskade tyngden.”
🇺🇸 The ice sheet was at its thickest, about 3 km, about 20,000 years ago and then slowly melted away over the next 10,000 years. Land uplift can be described as the upward movement of the Earth’s crust in response to the reduced gravity.
Graphic, also from the SMHI article, showing the areas where we’re experience rising LAND (parts of Scandinavia) – in green to orange colors – versus rising SEASs (most of rest of the World, and parts of also Scandinavia)
ChatGPT 2025-07-16
On sorting out the english terminology for things – including three (3) different types of measurements in regards to “sea levels”.
Not the better translations:
🇸🇪 Swedish terminology, measurement
🇺🇸 In English, from Google Translate
relativt jordens centrum.
Absolute land elevation, relative to the center of the Earth.
Avvägd landhöjning är relativt geoiden,
Balanced land elevation is relative to the geoid,
Apparent landhöjning ”registreras med hjälp av
vattenståndsobservationer
Apparent land elevation is “recorded using water level observations”
A better translation / mapping, Swedish terminology along with more professional language (from ChatGPT):
🇸🇪
Type of Measurement
Reference Surface
How It’s Measured
Common Use
Absolut höjd
Ellipsoidal height (h)
Ellipsoid (center of Earth)
GNSS/GPS satellites
Geodesy, navigation
Avvägd höjd
Orthometric height (H)
Geoid (sea level)
GNSS + geoid model OR leveling
Sea level studies, mapping
Apparent höjd
Leveling height
Local benchmark or tide gauge
Spirit leveling (optical instruments)
National height systems, construction
Q: rising land measurements relative earth center
ChatGPT said:
When discussing rising land measurements relative to Earth’s center, the concept you’re referring to involves measuring the vertical movement of land (uplift or subsidence) with respect to a fixed point — the center of mass of the Earth, also called the geocenter.
This measurement is used in geodesy, Earth sciences, and satellite navigation, and is particularly important in understanding:
Tectonic uplift
Glacial isostatic adjustment (GIA)
Sea level rise
Volcanic inflation or deflation
How It’s Measured
Land elevation changes relative to the Earth’s center are typically measured using:
GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite Systems), especially GPS High-precision GPS stations record the vertical motion of the land over time in a reference frame tied to the center of the Earth.
Satellite Radar Altimetry and Interferometry (InSAR) Used to detect small-scale vertical motions (e.g., from earthquakes or volcanic activity), although relative to a satellite, not directly the geocenter.
GRACE and GRACE-FO Satellites These measure mass changes (such as from melting glaciers), which relate to vertical land movement.
Units and Reference Frame
Vertical motion is usually measured in millimeters per year (mm/yr).
The reference frame used is the International Terrestrial Reference Frame (ITRF), which is centered at the Earth’s center of mass.
Examples
Fennoscandia (Scandinavia): Rising up to ~10 mm/year due to glacial rebound after the last Ice Age.
Alaska and Canada: Similar post-glacial rebound uplift.
Antarctica and Greenland: Complex motion due to ongoing ice loss and isostatic adjustment.
Would you like recent data on specific locations or global vertical land motion maps?
You said:
i’ve also heard of measurements relative some “geoiden” (spelling, in Swedish)
ChatGPT said:
Yes, you’re absolutely right — in Swedish, “geoiden” refers to the geoid, and it’s a crucial concept in measuring elevations and Earth’s shape.
Let me explain how measurements relative to the geoid differ from those relative to the Earth’s center.
🌍 Two Key Reference Surfaces in Earth Measurements
1. Earth’s Center (Geocentric Reference Frame)
This is a purely geometric reference, using the Earth’s center of mass as the origin.
Used by GNSS (e.g., GPS) systems and satellite orbit models.
Gives ellipsoidal heights (called “h”), based on the mathematical shape of the Earth (an ellipsoid, not a perfect sphere).
2. Geoid (Swedish: Geoiden)
This is a physical reference surface, defined as the mean sea level extended under the continents.
The geoid is an equipotential surface of Earth’s gravity field — meaning water would settle along it if allowed to flow freely under only gravity.
Heights measured relative to the geoid are called orthometric heights (or “height above sea level” in everyday terms).
🧮 Relationship Between Them
The three common vertical measurements are related like this:
h = height above ellipsoid (measured from Earth’s center)
N = geoid height (offset between ellipsoid and geoid)
So if you’re measuring land rising due to tectonic uplift, you might get:
A rise relative to the geocenter (GNSS)
A different value when interpreted relative to the geoid (how it would affect sea level)
🧭 Why This Matters
Sea level studies: The geoid is key — sea level is defined relative to it.
GNSS positioning: Uses Earth’s center (ellipsoidal heights).
Engineering & surveying: Use geoid-based heights (what people call “height above sea level”).
Would you like a diagram showing the ellipsoid, geoid, and terrain — or real data (e.g. Sweden’s land rise in both systems)?
You said:
Ok, great, and … a third measurement? By observations?
ChatGPT said:
Excellent follow-up — yes, there is a third kind of vertical measurement, which is based on physical observations, especially from classical surveying and tide gauges. This is what we can call:
3. Heights from Observations (“Leveling Heights”)
→ Also known as spirit leveling or physical height measurements → These are directly observed elevations based on gravity and water flow — not satellites.
🔍 What Are They?
These heights come from precise leveling using instruments and rods — literally measuring how far “uphill” or “downhill” land goes.
They are tied to a local reference point, often a tide gauge or benchmark.
In Sweden, for example, this would be connected to RH2000, the national height system based on leveling and geoid modeling.
🧭 So Now We Have Three:
Type of Measurement
Reference Surface
How It’s Measured
Common Use
Ellipsoidal height (h)
Ellipsoid (center of Earth)
GNSS/GPS satellites
Geodesy, navigation
Orthometric height (H)
Geoid (sea level)
GNSS + geoid model OR leveling
Sea level studies, mapping
Leveling height
Local benchmark or tide gauge
Spirit leveling (optical instruments)
National height systems, construction
🧠 Example (Sweden):
A mountain in northern Sweden might:
Have an ellipsoidal height of 1,120 m
A geoid height (N) of ~20 m at that location
So its orthometric height (H) would be ~1,100 m above sea level
And its official height in RH2000 would be very close to that — based on leveling and gravity models
🧭 Summary
Concept
Relative to
Key tool
Type
GNSS height
Earth’s center
GPS satellites
Geometric
Geoid-based
Sea level (gravity-based surface)
GNSS + gravity model
Physical
Observed (leveling)
Local tide gauge or benchmark
Leveling instruments
Physical
Would you like me to explain how Sweden’s RH2000 system ties into these? Or how you convert between them using real data?