15 Hour Workweek, Work-Life Balancing 15!

The 15 Movement, by J&P

Simply aiming for a more focused and modern work-life balance including:

  • Live Now, Not Later.
    • While you can, if/when get sick, it can be over.
  • Do what you Want, minimize what you Have to.
  • From some baseline of around working 40 hours per week*, aim is ‘more towards 15 than 60’.
  • More time for and with relatives and friends.

*) A majority of countries do have 40 hrs/wk. US and North Korea 47 hrs and 48 hrs respectively are in top ten of countries where people work longest hours per week. (Yeah, just had to write that sentence like that, grouping together those two countries….) Source: wikipedia: Workweek and weekend, and ref#3 in reference materials (KEY20210629A)

Side-note: In the US there is also a movement (since many years when write this in 2021) for trying to raise the minimum wage to US$ 15/hr. (wikipedia: Fight for $15, which will be part of results if search on any form of ’15 movement – google 15 movement)

15 Klubben, 15 Club

Informal club of members who shares tips and techniques for a healthy work-life balance.

Membership is through personal invitation only.

Background – Modern People Work a Lot

It was a very rainy 4th of July weekend and some time was spent on philosophy after listening to a quite interesting podcast opinion piece:

2021-06-29 Opinion | Why Do We Work So Damn Much? – The New York Times
Hunter-gatherers worked 15-hour weeks. Why don’t we?
On “The Ezra Klein Show,” the anthropologist James Suzman shares his insights from studying one of the world’s enduring hunter-gatherer societies, and discusses our modern obsession with work.
Materials gathered by J&P include article in MP3 audio and transcript text in PDF format. Contact your J&P Friend for access, ask for KEY20210629A.
Hunter-Gatherer spent 15 hrs on hunting and 15 hrs on prepping etc = 30 hrs tot, per week, for maintaining life.
   * work 15 hours a week, for “hunting-gather”, i.e. go to work
   * another 15 hours a week for food preparations, taking care of household, house, …
   Wait, that’s only 30 hours, less than the “regular’ “40-hour work week”, and even longer workweeks in the US
   And those 30 hrs INCLUDE all house chores.
Comparable number, by guesstimates by J in J&P Group, for a Modern Worker: 80 hrs.
Brief table to highlight figures, modern era workers, boss, and mislead executives (the ones definitely regretting working too much on their deathbed (#2 in regrets (jandp.biz/fun/philosophy/rr/), worked too much) and hunter-gatherer, 80 hrs modern worker versus 30 hrs hunter-gatherer:



Vara ute o fiska, jaga, plocka bär osv några timmar per dag (15/7 är ungefär 2 hr/dag).
Tillagande av mat, städande, reparation av verktyg, etc: också några timmar per dag.
Resten är upp till dig att göra vad du vill med tiden.
Varning: mer tillgångar (hus, bilar, båtar, saker i allmänhet) = betyder mer overhead (tid) för att underhålla dessa.
Så, med detta i åtanke har J&P Group också satt ihop en mer avancerad vy på hur tid kan bli använd av olika kategorier av människor och åldrar.
Från Kids till Retiree, med exempel på nått form av mål att sträva efter.
(Obs: det var inte på något sätt nått mål att Kids och Goal fick samma “Free”-tid, 101 timmar per vecka. Det bara föll sig så av valda guesstimates för olika aktiviteter som användes i tabellen. Men, med tanke på hur siffrorna föll sig så är det säkert något undermedvetet i det hela.)
Se bifogat dokument AllocationOfTime-HowAreYouSpendingYourLife.pdf, “Allocation of Time – How Are YOU Spending Your Life?”
Oh, på området *tillgångar* så har NY Times artikeln också intressant diskussion runt “demand sharing”, ‘allt ditt är mitt’, ‘och mitt är allas’, “a functional way of distributing resources within a society”.
Lite bra exemplifiering hur kapitalt annorlunda funktionen av att producera och konsumera saker kan vara. Som motpol till vårt extrema konsumtionssamhälle som tär på alla våra naturresurser.
Full document with table above and more comments – AllocationOfTime-HowAreYouSpendingYourLife.pdf

J The Philosopher




Note: in general, discussions on this topic commonly use hours PER WEEK as unit.

The graphic below takes the hours figures used in Hours per Week graphic (above) and divide each by 5, and using ‘5’ for two primary reasons:

  1. Will make the 40 hrs per week at work correspond to 8 hrs per day, the more common workweek for many workers in industrialized countries.
  2. Makes the two graphics – per Week and per Day look the same, just hours numbers shown are different.

BUT, trying to convert a Week-view into a Day-view becomes actually way more complicated than what one first may think…

  • Dividing all figures in Per Week data by 5 to get some Per Day data really isn’t working correctly from a mathematical view (must use 7 days per week to get maths to match up).
    • Just that using 7 instead creates “weird” day-numbers (40 hrs work / 7 = 5.7, not the 8 hrs / day as one ‘would expect’)
    • Adding up number in the Week view DO add up correctly to 168 hrs per week (7*24) but adding up numbers as shown in Day view (graphic below) adds up to 33.6 hrs/day (the 168 hrs per week / 5 = 33.6, which should be 168/7 = 24, but which would mess up graphical representation and make Week and Day views look very different)
  • Ok, 40 hours work per week is common norm for workers today, but can have a number of special cases one should consider, like
    • A Hunter-Gatherer would hunt/work more like every day, 7 days a week, and thus his 15 hrs/week should then be more like 2 hrs per day ‘at work’ (15/7 = 2.1)
    • And it’s actually ONLY the Agro Worker that would have a more controlled, defined, workweek of (e.g.) 5 days, all other categories (like Agro Kid, Agro Student, etc) would have more flexibility and work would be spread out over the whole 7-days week.
  • (Same logic goes for Work Overhead – only applies to days actually worked.)
  • To make any Per Day representation of how time could be spent Per Day one should actually better use different dividers for both different categories of people and different activities. Something maybe like:
    • Agro Worker, Work and Work Overhead: divider 5, for 5 days workweek
    • Hunter-Gatherer, correspondingly: divider 7, as hunt every day
    • et c
    • (Altogether, a completely different approach may be better. Start with looking at each day and estimate time per people category and activity, work through each in week, and get figures that matches up to expectations, like 8 hrs work / per day. Though, graphic representations of Week v Day will be very different. Pros and cons with every approach.)

I.e. be careful with digesting the graphic below!


Work-Life Balance

Source: A presentation by a D Fernandez, College instructor Cavite State University


Work Productivity – Or Lack Thereof…

You see? Productivity-wise, “we” as societies are already there, white-collar seems to produce about, or actually slightly less than, what a 15 hours per week would achieve, 15 hours dedicated work and not hanging around the water cooler, …

Btw, one thing that UK and US share is they both have common law system and how much time is spent – or should be spent – by reading all fine prints in legal dealings, including reading those web cookies statements and selecting which ones you want to accept or not, license agreements for the softwares your using.

(Where contracts in civil law systems can be 5 pages – as the details are hard-written in law texts, corresponding paperwork in common law can easily be 100 pages – as all details must be sorted out in each legal document; laws are more guidelines, all this from multiple personal real cases by J&P Group who deals in both law systems.)

Hey, it really easy to see productivity falling through the floor! Actually taking time and reading fine prints and I wonder if can even achieve any 2 hrs 48 min in the US, or 2 hrs 53 min in UK, …..

(There is an OAS touching on the subject of Science-Laws-Politics-and-more Venn Diagram, OAS 180007, which can be used to consider / evaluate / investigate how time is spent by an individual or organization. How much time each day is spent on “Science” – read/interpret as Real-Work/Productive work, then how much time due to laws/legal systems, politics, disruptions and handling of “alternative facts”, and so on.)



Source: data from en.wikipedia.org/wikiWorkweek_and_weekend



Time Management

Source: protradeunited.com.au/the-four-quadrants-of-time-management/



996 Culture – 72 Hour Workweek, and Tang ping

Last section and more a parentheses, example of What Not to Aim For!! What kills people prematurely.

On the other side of work-life spectrum, from commonly 40 hrs per week, and more human aim towards 15 hrs, we have China with some companies having 72 hour workweeks.

“The 996 working hour system (Chinese996工作制) is a work schedule practiced by some companies in the People’s Republic of China. It derives its name from its requirement that employees work from 9:00 am to 9:00 pm, 6 days per week; i.e. 72 hours per week.” [wikipedia]

How the 996-culture could be looking like:


Assumptions/data used for illustrating 996-culture:

  • Similar hours sleep as Adult agro, suspect figure could actually be lower
  • 72 hors workweek, 9a-to-9p, 6 days a week
  • 6 x 2 hrs for overhead, corresponding commute as other industrious areas (1 hr, but 6 days instead of 5 per week)
  • Using same 30 hrs / week for prepare-consume-maintain things, similar to any adult in Agro culture.
  • Using 5 hrs for variable prep-cons-maintain, half of as in agro,adult (assuming less assets)
  • 7 hrs for reserve (half of agro, adult), essentially to provide ANY free time
  • All this results in 7 hrs free time per week. Which is probably questionable and would be actually more sleep.

Tang ping – the Anti-Movement